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	<title>Comments on: Should we ask employees to tweet client stories?</title>
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		<title>By: Amit Desai</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4675</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit Desai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article and thanks for sharing your thoughts. I firmly believe that every organization big or small should have a social media policy. Recently I completed an analysis on usage of social media and its impact on productivity and have published my findings here http://www.gigathoughts.com/social-media/do-you-have-a-social-media-policy-for-your-organization.html

Hope you guys find it useful and also do let me know your views on the same</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article and thanks for sharing your thoughts. I firmly believe that every organization big or small should have a social media policy. Recently I completed an analysis on usage of social media and its impact on productivity and have published my findings here <a href="http://www.gigathoughts.com/social-media/do-you-have-a-social-media-policy-for-your-organization.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gigathoughts.com/social-media/do-you-have-a-social-media-policy-for-your-organization.html</a></p>
<p>Hope you guys find it useful and also do let me know your views on the same</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Snodgrass</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4529</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Snodgrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short answer, no.
Long answer, noooooooo. It&#039;s just gauche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short answer, no.<br />
Long answer, noooooooo. It&#8217;s just gauche.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Raikow</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4496</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Raikow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about this a bit and here is my current view: I&#039;m okay with the agency asking me to use my personal brand as long as they understand that it&#039;s my choice whether to deploy it. 

I do fear that it will become standard industry practice for agencies to expect employees to subject their personal stuff to the will of the account. This is not in the interest of the employee or the agency, since as you have stated, it will dilute the value of those brands and reduce their effectiveness in the long term. If this became the case, I would expect employees to simply maintain separate undisclosed social media identities for personal use along with a token &#039;official&#039; identity that the employer has influence over. These tokens would of course carry much less credibility online.

A more uncomfortable ethical question IMHO comes up when employees face the dilemma of self-censoring themselves online when it comes to commenting on issues related to clients or competitors of clients. I&#039;m not aware of an example of employee social media activity effecting a client relationship, but I&#039;m sure it is inevitable. Even worse, since these comments are archived for all eternity, how long until an old comment that someone has legitimately made about a non-client surfaces to meddle with a new-business prospect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought about this a bit and here is my current view: I&#8217;m okay with the agency asking me to use my personal brand as long as they understand that it&#8217;s my choice whether to deploy it. </p>
<p>I do fear that it will become standard industry practice for agencies to expect employees to subject their personal stuff to the will of the account. This is not in the interest of the employee or the agency, since as you have stated, it will dilute the value of those brands and reduce their effectiveness in the long term. If this became the case, I would expect employees to simply maintain separate undisclosed social media identities for personal use along with a token &#8216;official&#8217; identity that the employer has influence over. These tokens would of course carry much less credibility online.</p>
<p>A more uncomfortable ethical question IMHO comes up when employees face the dilemma of self-censoring themselves online when it comes to commenting on issues related to clients or competitors of clients. I&#8217;m not aware of an example of employee social media activity effecting a client relationship, but I&#8217;m sure it is inevitable. Even worse, since these comments are archived for all eternity, how long until an old comment that someone has legitimately made about a non-client surfaces to meddle with a new-business prospect?</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Vadocz</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4478</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Vadocz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion. My input to this discussion is not dealing directly with agency compensation for social media efforts. 

However, I would like to present a thought that the involvement agency staff in favor of the client in social networks will largely depend on the communication context in which the client operates. If it&#039;s a client who is respected and active in the social networks/online and has clearly defined values and ethical principles for this area, it is entirely in order to supports him. 

If a client is outside the online context any involvement in it would be seen as unauthentic and therefore agency should start with an advice to develop strategy and principles for this space (and this is what we should be paid for, isn&#039;it?)

Recently our client - an online shop - opened standard shop in the real world. I felt it very natural that we, who work on the account all support him in our social networks. This is possible only because customer has many fans online and sentiment towards the brand in social networks is very positive.

In regards of ethics behind this decision, it could be described as &#039;practical imperative&#039; - &quot;Act so that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in that of another, always as an end never as a means only.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion. My input to this discussion is not dealing directly with agency compensation for social media efforts. </p>
<p>However, I would like to present a thought that the involvement agency staff in favor of the client in social networks will largely depend on the communication context in which the client operates. If it&#8217;s a client who is respected and active in the social networks/online and has clearly defined values and ethical principles for this area, it is entirely in order to supports him. </p>
<p>If a client is outside the online context any involvement in it would be seen as unauthentic and therefore agency should start with an advice to develop strategy and principles for this space (and this is what we should be paid for, isn&#8217;it?)</p>
<p>Recently our client &#8211; an online shop &#8211; opened standard shop in the real world. I felt it very natural that we, who work on the account all support him in our social networks. This is possible only because customer has many fans online and sentiment towards the brand in social networks is very positive.</p>
<p>In regards of ethics behind this decision, it could be described as &#8216;practical imperative&#8217; &#8211; &#8220;Act so that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in that of another, always as an end never as a means only.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mat Morrison</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, if staff don&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/03/pr-agencies-and-privacy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;declare their business affiliation on their personal networks&lt;/a&gt; then their parent companies are steering very close to astroturfing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if staff don&#8217;t <a href="http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/03/pr-agencies-and-privacy/" rel="nofollow">declare their business affiliation on their personal networks</a> then their parent companies are steering very close to astroturfing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Gaffney</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4476</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Gaffney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the crux of the argument is around the short term value of exploiting employees networks versus the long term impact. 

So while it would be great for clients if as a value added or charged service an angency could guarantee that it could make a video viral or get the front page of Digg, how many times would they actually be able to do that before Digg changed the rules or employees found their networks decimated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the crux of the argument is around the short term value of exploiting employees networks versus the long term impact. </p>
<p>So while it would be great for clients if as a value added or charged service an angency could guarantee that it could make a video viral or get the front page of Digg, how many times would they actually be able to do that before Digg changed the rules or employees found their networks decimated?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Devriendt</title>
		<link>http://mediaczar.com/blog/2009/05/should-we-ask-employees-to-tweet-client-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-4475</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Devriendt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat,

Tx for –again- an extremely nice discussion. I follow you completely on the fact that clients that benefit from the Social Media Reach of the agency and its employees should pay for it. Tricky part is how. Most of our clients pay fees for us consultants, and they consider these fees “high”.  While we can agree that this a matter of perception, we should ask ourselves what it is the client thinks he is paying for.    For clients who deal with consultants specialized in press relations, they would assume that the consultants´ social contacts with the journalists are included in the X/hour that the agency is charging for that employee. We can sweet-talk clients into paying an arbitrary fixed fee for “updating contacts and maintaining database” etc.  You cannot tell a client to pay more for employee Q than for employee Z because Z has twice the journalist contacts…. Then again if Z has more contacts, is better, he/she will probably be higher ranked, and have a higher hourly fee.
I do think that more and more, our clients will assume and require that the agencies social capital (and that of its employees) is included in the fees that are charged. We´ll have to make sure that we´re able to quantify an office/region/employees social capital, and monetize that.   Do we do it as part/ add-on to the hourly fee?  Do we go for an more add-agency oriented way by charging per 1000 people reached? Do we go for an effort based (per hour) or a result based (per x reached)? 
You and I combined reach about to most of twittering UK and Belgium… will a client honor that in an extra fee-add on? Or will they think that that reach is included in our rate-table. It´s an interesting question….

Danny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat,</p>
<p>Tx for –again- an extremely nice discussion. I follow you completely on the fact that clients that benefit from the Social Media Reach of the agency and its employees should pay for it. Tricky part is how. Most of our clients pay fees for us consultants, and they consider these fees “high”.  While we can agree that this a matter of perception, we should ask ourselves what it is the client thinks he is paying for.    For clients who deal with consultants specialized in press relations, they would assume that the consultants´ social contacts with the journalists are included in the X/hour that the agency is charging for that employee. We can sweet-talk clients into paying an arbitrary fixed fee for “updating contacts and maintaining database” etc.  You cannot tell a client to pay more for employee Q than for employee Z because Z has twice the journalist contacts…. Then again if Z has more contacts, is better, he/she will probably be higher ranked, and have a higher hourly fee.<br />
I do think that more and more, our clients will assume and require that the agencies social capital (and that of its employees) is included in the fees that are charged. We´ll have to make sure that we´re able to quantify an office/region/employees social capital, and monetize that.   Do we do it as part/ add-on to the hourly fee?  Do we go for an more add-agency oriented way by charging per 1000 people reached? Do we go for an effort based (per hour) or a result based (per x reached)?<br />
You and I combined reach about to most of twittering UK and Belgium… will a client honor that in an extra fee-add on? Or will they think that that reach is included in our rate-table. It´s an interesting question….</p>
<p>Danny</p>
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		<title>By: james warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>james warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post mat.  we&#039;re wrangling with the very same issue over here at WS Towers.  naturally, wherever possible we try to follow the most ethical path (although between you and i, policing this can be tricky when there are thousands of you all over the world).  mass Digging of client stories is out of bounds.  but we are encouraging all staff to use/review Digg for their chosen beat and if they naturally find client news and give it the thumbs up, then i don&#039;t think there&#039;s any real harm done.  but all hands mails harvesting mass votes is a definite no-no.  as far as retweets and facebook mentions, i think where the employee knows they are followed by/connected to influencers who they know would be interested in the story then there&#039;s no harm - after all we&#039;re often retained by clients for our connections.  but if the client story is not directly related to your beat, then don&#039;t push it.  again, all hands mails asking for the whole company to spam in unison isn&#039;t going to do us or the client in question any favours.  i&#039;m trying to encourage the powers that be to let me publish our guidelines for all this stuff, so that we can all weigh in and help make them better.  watch this space (well, not THIS space, but my space).  keep up the good work -- james</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post mat.  we&#8217;re wrangling with the very same issue over here at WS Towers.  naturally, wherever possible we try to follow the most ethical path (although between you and i, policing this can be tricky when there are thousands of you all over the world).  mass Digging of client stories is out of bounds.  but we are encouraging all staff to use/review Digg for their chosen beat and if they naturally find client news and give it the thumbs up, then i don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any real harm done.  but all hands mails harvesting mass votes is a definite no-no.  as far as retweets and facebook mentions, i think where the employee knows they are followed by/connected to influencers who they know would be interested in the story then there&#8217;s no harm &#8211; after all we&#8217;re often retained by clients for our connections.  but if the client story is not directly related to your beat, then don&#8217;t push it.  again, all hands mails asking for the whole company to spam in unison isn&#8217;t going to do us or the client in question any favours.  i&#8217;m trying to encourage the powers that be to let me publish our guidelines for all this stuff, so that we can all weigh in and help make them better.  watch this space (well, not THIS space, but my space).  keep up the good work &#8212; james</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Nee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Nee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right. We can&#039;t be asked to spam our personal networks, and spam is exactly what this stuff is if it&#039;s not organically discovered.

Yes, if I worked on a campaign and felt sharing a video (for example) would help, I probably would. And if the agency did something that was a) really cool and b) relevant to my contacts or a large number of my contacts, I probably would.

But I object to being asked to spam my friends/contacts. If a client wants something seeded, they should pay to have it seeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right. We can&#8217;t be asked to spam our personal networks, and spam is exactly what this stuff is if it&#8217;s not organically discovered.</p>
<p>Yes, if I worked on a campaign and felt sharing a video (for example) would help, I probably would. And if the agency did something that was a) really cool and b) relevant to my contacts or a large number of my contacts, I probably would.</p>
<p>But I object to being asked to spam my friends/contacts. If a client wants something seeded, they should pay to have it seeded.</p>
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		<title>By: techie_chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>techie_chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 09:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The boundaries are more blurred in a small company, where you *are* the business. The trick is to learn to promote your *own* brand in an ethical/acceptable/palatable manner. Something I&#039;m thinking about a lot just now, as a director of a small company and twitter addict, and I appreciate it&#039;s very different from a PR company perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The boundaries are more blurred in a small company, where you *are* the business. The trick is to learn to promote your *own* brand in an ethical/acceptable/palatable manner. Something I&#8217;m thinking about a lot just now, as a director of a small company and twitter addict, and I appreciate it&#8217;s very different from a PR company perspective.</p>
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